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>Jaheira never fell in love with Gorion's Ward, adopted some orphans, and just kept being an adventurer
>Minsc remained exactly the same
>Viconia never fell in love with Gorion's Ward and remained an evil Shar worshipper and then got killed by a random adventurer
>Sarevok got resurrected, then used his second life to stay evil and worship his evil father
>Gorion's Ward partied with Aerie, Jan, Mazzy, and Keldorn
Pretty bizarre choices, to be honest. I still don't know which BG2 party member the broken mask was referring to.
- Anonymous
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>and then got killed by a random adventurer
Not in my game - Anonymous
3 days ago
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The lore party is jaheira, her cuck, minsc, his mage gf, emoin who is also Gorion's ward's lore tomboy gf
- Anonymous
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>minsc gf
>mage
firstly, she's a witch.
secondly, what ever happened to her in the second game? she's not in the dungeon.- Anonymous
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>secondly, what ever happened to her in the second game? she's not in the dungeon.
Minsc is distraught about her death from Irenicus right at the start of BG2. She's already dead well before the game starts. - Anonymous
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- Anonymous
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Viconia and Sarevok are the only characters that really got mistreated badly. Jaheira's character from progresses very naturally from 2 to 3, bouncing between weariness from trying to save the world so many times to the classic naive optimism that adventurers of her day used to save the world in the first place. Minsc remaining the same was explained fine and his character was always a joke, changing him to something else wouldn't work. Also Minsc says the canon party was Jaheira, Khalid, himself, Imoen and Dynaheir.
- Anonymous
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Minsc should've been a legendary berserker who could get so mad that he couldn't possibly die. Him being mind controlled was a character assassination in itself.
- Anonymous
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They should have just made it so Minsc and Jaheira left charnames side after defeating Sarevok. ToB Minsc and Jaheria would have just solo'd that stupid cult lmao
Nobody but dumb "I can fix her" coomers care about Viconia, good riddance to the c**t. Imagine being so deranged you let some murderer join your party in the first place. Good on Larian for sh*tting on her dumb fans.
Yes
Also it's actually worse than what OP said, it's not that he remained evil, he did change but failed miserably and went back to being evil anywayGod who cares, he can remain evil too. Imagine giving this butthole anything.
- Anonymous
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>nooooo they're le hecking evil!
- Anonymous
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Yes
- Anonymous
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exactly. i murder evil c**ts. fricking steamrolled minthara in bg3 too.
- Anonymous
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is the Sarevok stuff in the throne of baal? I haven't played that one, and in the base game I only ever briefly saw him in the afterlife.
- Anonymous
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Yes
Also it's actually worse than what OP said, it's not that he remained evil, he did change but failed miserably and went back to being evil anyway- Anonymous
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Sarevok is a companion in Throne of Bhaal. You can give him a sliver of your soul so that he can join you. And you can redeem him and have him denounce Bhaal, despite him being the most evil psychopath possible in BG1.
BG3 doesn't treat any of that as canon also.
Throne of Bhaal is a linear boss gauntlet with comic book writing and voice acting straight from the Saturday morning X-Men cartoon. I'm amazed that people care about Sarevok's characterisation in that crappy story.
- Anonymous
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>ending to the saga is a y/n dialogue option on whether you want to be an evil God of murder
Just more amazing Bioshart writing
- Anonymous
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Sarevok is a companion in Throne of Bhaal. You can give him a sliver of your soul so that he can join you. And you can redeem him and have him denounce Bhaal, despite him being the most evil psychopath possible in BG1.
BG3 doesn't treat any of that as canon also.
- Anonymous
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Even if Sarevok stays evil he's happy to be rid of Bhaal. He's literally not even a Bhaalspawn anymore. His slow fade into history as a tormented soul never truly at peace with itself was kino. BG3 mischaracterized him on every level.
And for what? So normie boomers who forgot all of that could onions out to a le epic nostalgic boss?
It's sh*t.- Anonymous
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>BG3 mischaracterized him on every level.
How did it mischaracterize him?- Anonymous
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nta. It didn't mischaracterize him at all.
But it WAS a hamfisted addition.- Anonymous
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>Sarevok, who lost his Bhaalspawn essence and was acknowledged by himself and everyone else as no longer being a Bhaalspawn, is actually the progenitor of Bhaalspawn incest babies
>Sarevok, who never gave a frick about Bhaal, sought to steal Bhaal's power, and was happy to trade his Bhaalspawn essence for freedom from that cringe murder sh*t, actually became a Bhaal cultist between BG1 and BG2 (???)
>Sarevok, who begged to be given his second life and broke out of hell the happiest man alive (ToB), actually became a Bhaal cultist while dead and secretly hated (you) for forcing this second life upon him (BG3)
>Sarevok, who wanted to keep Bhaal dead and usurp his portfolio like Amelyssan, actually just failed to become Bhaal's "Chosen"
>It didn't mischaracterize him at all.
moron.
- Anonymous
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By turning him into Bhaal's b***h
- Anonymous
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Sarevok wanted power, by literally any means necessary. Originally that was by slaying other Bhaalspawn. Gorion's Word kills him.
He optionally will be willing to come with you in ToB in the hopes of gleening whatever power he possibly can in your wake.
Since Bhaal has been resurrected for a long time at this point, him being willing to be one of Bhaals' high disciples is not at all out of character for him. It's a path to power.
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>His slow fade into history as a tormented soul never truly at peace with itself was kino
Its in the game just locked behind stupid prerequisites for some reason%3D
- Anonymous
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Looking at that pic I can just hear failed lockpicking attempts before finally opening a door.
- Anonymous
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>Average lifespan 350 years
why didn't axebro make it in- Anonymous
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Because he's dead
- Anonymous
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I'm happy he nor Aerie made it into Larian's game
- Anonymous
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Doesn't he get a surprising heroic death?
- Anonymous
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He got to murder a bunch of Menzos
- Anonymous
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There is a 0% chance that Korgan is going to live to old age.
- Anonymous
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because I kill him on sight
- Anonymous
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>gathers a group of warriors
>fricking openly storms Menzoberranzan
>goes out in an absolute wave of carnage
>so glorious the drow erect a monument to Korgan believing him to be a manifestation of chaos
- Anonymous
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What is that idiotic fanfiction you are spouting? Baldur's Gate was finished 20 years ago, whatever you are referring to is just some zombie animated by Borderlands-tier hacks to milk a few bucks off idiots.
- Anonymous
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i still don't get why they called it that, i mean i do but i don't think it made much of a difference
the current fanbase of dnd stuff 100% doesn't care about some boomer ass game like baldur's gate and would have bought the game anyway because it is dnd
meanwhile most of us fans of the OG games wouldn't be stupid enough to buy a sh*tty 5e dnd game just because they called it that.- Anonymous
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I loved BG1 & 2, and I bought Early Access because it was BG3. But I also liked DOS2, so I wanted to see what they'd do with it.
Baldur's Gate was their most successful non-tabletop media they've ever had for D&D. Of course they'd want to leverage it.- Anonymous
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*2nd sentence was more in reference to why WotC would care about BG before 3's release.
- Anonymous
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The more names of beloved franchises you can slap onto your game, the better your reception is going to be. By 2024 standards, it was already ambitious for not being a straight up remake.
- Anonymous
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It's because game budgets have bloated way too high, and publishers are afraid to support anything short of what they see as "sure things" due to the sheer amount of money invested. They see established franchises as "sure things".
That's why we largely only see interesting or innovative stuff from indies.
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>supposed to believe Jaheira deleved to 7 or whatever after defeating literal demigods and gods in Throne of Bhaal
>supposed to believe she's a granny now when Druids literally get abilities to stop aging- Anonymous
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Blame it on multiple edition changes (universe altering events) like a rational person.
- Anonymous
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"Levels" aren't a thing in-lore. It's a gameplay mechanic.
In the tabletop, levels are an abstract way of representing overall power. That power has been inconsistent across editions.
A level 1 Fourth Edition D&D character is far more powerful than a level 1 3rd or 5th edition character, and FAR more powerful than a level 1 2e character.The only generally consistent thing across editions (other than 4e) is that characters pass a huge barrier once they hit Level 5 are overall as a party far more powerful than they were than the previous level (generally due to 3rd-level spells being such a leap in power, and extra attacks, etc).
- Anonymous
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Sure, but it doesn't change the fact by ToB Jaheira was capable of beating world ending threats with the Bhaalspawn and had already fought multiple powerful outer planar creatures etc.
Including Mindflayers & even an Elder Brain.- Anonymous
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Just because you can cap out your companions in the game and turn them into demigods, doesn't mean that actually happens in the overall dnd/forgotten realms canon. I don't know why something so obvious has to be explained. The power levels aren't even consistent across the editions.
- Anonymous
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A reasonable argument if it wasn't for the fact that both Jaheira and Minsc were canonically in charname's party
- Anonymous
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Sure, but the WotC canon is sh*t and the party didn't actually do even a fraction of the content that was in the game.
- Anonymous
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Aerie, Imoen, and Anomen even comment in ToB "wow I can't believe that I'M one of the most powerful archmages/clerics in the universe."
- Anonymous
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And she does the same here.
- Anonymous
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Throne of Bhaal is a sh*tty fanfic full of garbage fanservice. A licensed mod, basically. Nobody should take it seriously and neither does WOTC.
- Anonymous
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She was also capable of doing most of that by the end of BG2
- Anonymous
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What the hell are you talking about anon
It was a bit rushed job (since it was already well into the life of 3rd edition D&D, and BG2 was a 2nd edition AD&D game), but it was still made by the BG people. - Anonymous
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Even if you only account for SoA, Jaheira, Minsc, or Viconia could have handled the entire cult on their own.
- Anonymous
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Go sniff more glue, you abject moron.
- Anonymous
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>Jaheira never fell in love with Gorion's Ward
she did in mine.
Gorion's Ward dies before BG3. It's linked to how Bhaal came back in the first place, from the "Murder in Baldur's Gate" D&D adventure module. - Anonymous
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I liked it.
Not the same game as 1/2, but enjoyable DOS3 but set in a world I give half a sh*t about. And any of the game's less attractive bits can be fixed with basedmods. And they ducked out, so not really a huge chance of this being a continuing thing. - Anonymous
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Reminder WotC's canon cuts out practically all of the actual game content of BG2 and ToB. The canon Gorion's Ward did practically fricking nothing and was a lame hom*osexual.
- Anonymous
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>WotC's canon
good thing i am not listening to what those hom*osexuals are saying- Anonymous
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And they don't care about your headcanon either
- Anonymous
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that's fine, isn't it? i can play bg1 and 2 the way i want to play them, and they don't have to worry about fitting my money into their pockets
win-win
- Anonymous
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WotC's canon is vague, they don't use the novels (which are universally regarded as complete sh*t). They only thing they borrowed was the name, but kept none of the characteristics or details of him.
The sole canon thing about Gorion's Ward in WotC lore is that he was a Grand Duke of Baldur's Gate at the end of his life, he had unnaturally long life due to the divinity in his blood, and his death in a battle with a final bhaalspawn resulted in the resurrection of Bhaal (prior to 5e).- Anonymous
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>which are universally regarded as complete sh*t)
I liked the Cleric Quintet 🙁- Anonymous
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Talking specifically about the Baldur's Gate novels, which are universally considered to be incredibly bad (even ignoring getting the characters wrong).
There are a number of decent FR novels.
- Anonymous
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WotC was already moronic 25 years ago
what they state as canon is of no relevance to me - Anonymous
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N T R
- Anonymous
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>WOTC demanded Obsidian remove bi plotlines from both Gann & Safiya romances from MOTB despite the fact it perfectly fit their characters as opposed to playersexual sh*t, 17 years ago
>meanwhile BG3
Times sure do change - Anonymous
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Bhaal is a fricking moron, it's no fun or achievment to kill mere "victims".
Wiping out Drizzt and his hom*osexuals and the paladin order and the harpers in BG2, now that's the really good stuff.- Anonymous
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Cyric is cooler anyway. He killed that Bhaal b***h as a mortal and became a god himself.
- Anonymous
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>Gorion's Ward partied with Aerie, Jan, Mazzy, and Keldorn
Where do they say this?
- Anonymous
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In the area you recruit Minsc in BG3, he has souvenirs from his adventures in BG2, and you see ones from Aerie, Keldorn, Mazzy, Jan, and two others I don't remember.
- Anonymous
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>Amelyssan
>Cleric 30
>Wizard 30
wat, I thought the max lvl was 20 why the frick is that b***h lvl 60? - Anonymous
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Who cares? #notmycanon
- Anonymous
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my halfling wife!
- Anonymous
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>Short sword
>Not bow
Literally her only use is to shoot a million arrows at things.
- Anonymous
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Viconia also turned from the hottest woman in the realms into an ugly hag somehow.
